Comment from Ted
www.djaxo.com offers good value for money, with high quality and speed, I liked working with them and I would recommend.
View ArticleComment from Andy Ford
I've just launched my xhtml/css markup service Aloe Studios. After designing/programming sites from the ground up and working directly with end clients, I've decided I much prefer to work with web and...
View ArticleComment from PSDXHTML.COM
PSDXHTML.COM also provides top quality PSD to XHTML / CSS Conversion Service. FEATURES: * Hand coded XHTML 1.0 Strict markup * Light-weight table-less * Optimized for search engines * Comented and...
View ArticleComment from Harvey Ramer
I recently started a service like this called CSS Sage (http://csssage.com), simply because I wanted to stay busy with smaller projects in between my larger jobs. I found the market is overly...
View ArticleComment from Phunky
Very intresting read, im currently working on this type of service but aimed at UK designers. Taking some of the things said on here it would seem that a cheap and quick turn over for the single page...
View ArticleComment from Enrico
Hi everyone, The Choppr here! I just wanted to add my 2 cents to this discussion and say that the main two reasons I saw this as being a service that has validity on the web is firstly - most web...
View ArticleComment from Jesse C.
I'm a little late to the party on this thread - but I just tripped over another service called The Choppr . Hope you'll keep us posted on your experience with XHTMLGenius. I'm also quite interested in...
View ArticleComment from Jeff Croft
> XHTML and CSS aren't hard - but coding a site can be time consuming, especially if you don't have a ton of experience dealing with the many browser bugs. I've been doing it for a while and can...
View ArticleComment from Jonathan Snook
paul: Johan is one of the few who's actually tried one of the services and has given his thoughts on the matter. I'm also in the midst of trying out XHTMLGenius, with which I'll report back the results...
View ArticleComment from paul
has anyone actually tried any of these services? instead of bashing (or even praising them), i skimming the comments and didn't at first glance see any comments from people who had any of the services...
View ArticleComment from Kiper
And here I thought we were all brothers and sisters... And all along we were just monkeys and chipmonks. ;)
View ArticleComment from Shaun Andrews
I'm going to try and stay clear of the argument here. I just want to say that I'm a professional. XHTMLGenius started out as a marketing experiment. I only spent a few hours design/developing the site...
View ArticleComment from Randy
Jeff, how much do the monkeys charge? That might be a better option. I mean, if they can do it then that would be the cheaper route to go I'm sure. ;-)
View ArticleComment from Lance Jonn Romanoff
That's the question for you, because you can do it yourself. But I don't think you're the target market for these services. The target market is business that employ graphic designers but not front...
View ArticleComment from Ryan Thrash
I am probably going to use (one or more) of these services soon. If they get close and allow me to kick off additional projects more quickly, I'm a happy camper (and likely more cost effectively than...
View ArticleComment from jason lynes
it goes against much of what i believe, but i have to actually agree with jeff croft on this. we have been hiring Sr. Interaction Designers over at northtemple.com and while xhtml and css is something...
View ArticleComment from Jeff Croft
> I guess I come from the old school, but I was always taught that business is about building relationships and these sites seem to be in direct contradiction to that idea. You're right, and there's...
View ArticleComment from Jeff Croft
> For me, that is not the question. That's the question for you, because you can do it yourself. But I don't think you're the target market for these services. The target market is business that...
View ArticleComment from Jeff Croft
> Sorry about the "Mr." - just trying to avoid confusion, not make you seem older. We are about the same age. Oh, no ned to apologize for that. I was just teasing. :)
View ArticleComment from Kai Malloy
My biggest problem with these sites, in addition to the points mentioned above, is that as a small web design company owner who works mainly with small businesses, non-profits, and so on, is the lack...
View ArticleComment from Lance Jonn Romanoff
Lance, allow me to impart a bit of netiquette for your future reference: calling people out on validation errors is generally considered to be "bad form." Congratulations Adam on missing the point in...
View ArticleComment from Jem
The sad thing is, I used to do this free for anyone who asked. I only stopped because my job keeps me far too busy... think of the money I could have made!
View ArticleComment from Adam Messinger
Lance, allow me to impart a bit of netiquette for your future reference: calling people out on validation errors is generally considered to be "bad form." That's because a whole host of things can...
View ArticleComment from Lance Jonn Romanoff
I think maybe this should be considered special case of Goodwin's Law for discussions involving Web designers and developers. Someone inevitably trots out the "Yeah, well your page doesn't even...
View ArticleComment from Matt
I run the XHTML/CSS site and do most of the coding there. Although you didn't give us a very good review I appreciate the critique.
View ArticleComment from Adam Messinger
Jeff Croft said:If you go around validating other people's sites, just so you can call them out in public when their homepage has a couple of unencoded ampersands, you really a need to get a life.I...
View ArticleComment from Lance Jonn Romanoff
If we are getting back on track to these services, my question now would be how they do it for the price they do it for? Are they definitely outsourcing overseas somewhere? Not having used them I...
View ArticleComment from Jeff L
Jeff, Sorry about the "Mr." - just trying to avoid confusion, not make you seem older. We are about the same age. If we are getting back on track to these services, my question now would be how they do...
View ArticleComment from Steve Tucker
This to me seems like one of those "I cant believe someone didnt think of it earlier" things. I can imagine this service being useful for larger companies who dont specialise especially in web...
View ArticleComment from Johan
> Why do people still seem to think I was serious when i said a monkey could write HXTML and CSS? Haven't I made it clear that I was joking yet? We do have Go bananas website
View ArticleComment from Ryan Berg
>Wouldn't you rather have people paying these guys for code that is nearly-valid, nearly-semantic, and nearly-clean, rather than having their designers slice up PSDs into tables or having their...
View ArticleComment from Andy Kant
My apologies, Jeff, I didn't mean for that to come off as a personal attack. I would agree with you that front end is definitely the easiest to learn of the three. It is also probably the only one that...
View ArticleComment from Jeff Croft
> I think the important unanswered question here is whether or not one of those apes that know sign language could code for Section 508 compliance. Haha. Nice one. :)
View ArticleComment from Jeff Croft
This is me, trying hard to get these comments back on track... ....let's look at the big picture. The code examples we've seen here aren't perfect. They suffer from a bit of classitis and a few other...
View ArticleComment from Jeff Croft
> Regardless I don't think you were joking... I was joking. I do not actually believe a monkey could write HTML and CSS. I do believe that HTML and CSS are more easily learned than design and...
View ArticleComment from Lance Jonn Romanoff
I think the important unanswered question here is whether or not one of those apes that know sign language could code for Section 508 compliance.
View ArticleComment from Jeff L
I was trying to continue a serious discussion above but I can see how it would be hard to do with the insults being hurled around. Regardless I don't think you were joking - a monkey COULD do XHTML and...
View ArticleComment from Jeff Croft
Why do people still seem to think I was serious when i said a monkey could write HXTML and CSS? Haven't I made it clear that I was joking yet?
View ArticleComment from Andy Kant
Man does it look like the comments in this post got out of hand. My view is that in a best case scenario you would have a designer, a front end developer, and a back end developer. All three positions...
View ArticleComment from Lance Jonn Romanoff
Lance, anyone who knows me will tell you that I can be one of the most maddeningly pedantic people you'll ever meet. I give Jeff crap (in a good-natured way) about his work all the time, but even I...
View ArticleComment from Lance Jonn Romanoff
Apparently you are more interested in attempting to make a fool of me publicly than trying to work out our differences in private. We don't have any 'differences' to 'work out.' The point I was...
View ArticleComment from James Bennett
Lance, anyone who knows me will tell you that I can be one of the most maddeningly pedantic people you'll ever meet. I give Jeff crap (in a good-natured way) about his work all the time, but even I...
View ArticleComment from Jeff L
Mr Croft, I certainly do not thing design was unimportant, but I was simply placing the same emphasis on the design as you placed on the coding. I won't get into a discussion here on what I think...
View ArticleComment from Jeff Croft
Lance- Forgive me for trying to take this discussion private. Apparently you are more interested in attempting to make a fool of me publicly than trying to work out our differences in private. I,...
View ArticleComment from Lance Jonn Romanoff
James, My advice is not to claim HTML is so easy monkeys could do it and then not even have a site that validates. Since I'm not claiming that HTML is easy, but in fact the opposite, I fail to see how...
View ArticleComment from James Bennett
Lance, you might want to follow your own advice, dude ;) Also, be careful: when angered, web monkeys throw more than just bananas.
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